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In HBO’s original film, Bernard and Doris, Susan Sarandon
played billionaire tobacco heiress Doris Duke, while Ralph
Fiennes portrayed her dedicated gay butler, Bernard Lafferty.
Despite a mere (and almost unheard of, given its starpower)
$500K budget, Sarandon looked like a billion dollars and
snagged an Emmy nomination for outstanding actress in a miniseries
or movie. Fiennes received an outstanding actor nom, and
another eight additional nominations were lavished upon the
production. We chatted with Sarandon about the film, MTV’s
Rocky Horror update and whether or not the liberal political
dynamo could endure a Fox News watch-a-thon.
by Lawrence Ferber
How was working with Ralph Fiennes—and did he mince at all
between takes?
I had a blast working with Ralph and it’s so great he also
got a nomination. He does this fabulous character that’s
so dignified, so sweet, so smart and can actually run that
house. Doris gives him permission to be who he is, which
starts to become more over the top—growing out his hair and
the clothes become a little more flamboyant. Is that mincing?
I don’t know. I love the way he holds his hands. He has so
much integrity and you don’t want to be sucked into some
goofy cliché that everybody is expecting.
The film is an “imagined” account of their six-year relationship/friendship,
so that gave you and director Bob Balaban a lot of dramatic
and narrative license. How did everyone decide which direction
to go in?
We didn’t want it to be about his obsession with her, some
creepy obsession that was one-sided. I really thought these
people have decided they would be the witnesses to each other’s
lives and he should always be there. Even when she’s dealing
with her boyfriends, she looks to Bernard. They’re in on
the secret of each other, and the kindness they show each
other is really moving.
What are your thoughts on gay marriage?
I think so much of [the controversy over gay marriage] has
to do with language. The word “marriage” does trigger things
in a lot of people, and it’s a shame we can’t find a way
to get around that because [it] really polarizes people.
But I think separate from the legal aspects of being able
to share with your partner and own a house and have rights
to your kids and insurance and all that, if you ask most
Americans, “Does everyone have a right to be happy?” They’ll
say “yes.” I’m not married, so I’m probably the wrong person
to talk to about how significant it is to be married. I’ve
created a life that isn’t about a traditional marriage,
but I understand why some people want that kind of a metaphor,
a symbol.
You haven’t been asked to take part in MTV’s Rocky Horror
remake as of yet, but what do you think of the project?
I wish them luck. “Don’t dream it, be it” is a fabulous message
that speaks to a lot of people, and the music’s fun and it
has a great sense of humor. I just don’t know what the angle
[of a remake] would be. I’d like to have been in that pitch
meeting to see how they were doing it.
You’ve done a lot to bring attention and raise money for
various causes and charities. So let’s see how just far you
would go: Hypothetically, would you endure a 72-hour Fox
News watch-a-thon to raise money for a charity?
Oh wow. Can [I] be vaccinated first? I don’t know. But I
think it is good to know what other people are being subjected
to, and then you’re more forgiving and compassionate towards
people who are completely confused by these mixed messages.
My mom’s one of them. She watches Fox and loves Bill O’Reilly,
even the things he’s done to me. She went on O’Reilly; a
show dedicated to how horrible I am and he brought my mother
in. She was on for two seconds, but he used her in the commercials.
He said things like, “How did she get this way?” and my mom
said, “I don’t know.” I thought that was really underhanded.
Watch
to see if Bernard and Doris takes home Emmys. The 60th
Primetime Emmy Awards will air on ABC on Sunday, Sept.,
21 at 8 p.m. Bernard and Doris is currently available on
DVD with extras including a featurette about the real Bernard & Doris.
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